tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post2709232865960889370..comments2023-10-17T05:21:29.845-07:00Comments on Eli's Coming: the NY Times tango: two steps forward, one step backElihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16435069005018966208noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-86942663304768022712006-11-12T22:11:00.000-08:002006-11-12T22:11:00.000-08:00this is the same anonymous. can't get that webpag...this is the same anonymous. can't get that webpage to open, says it is "no longer available". could you summarize it?<br /><br />I do think that education is necessary, but in certain ways, I don't want people to know the specifics about how markers are changed legally. in my mind, it's good for them to know about identities and experiences, but bad to get too specific about medical and legal Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-85537189429534550942006-11-11T07:47:00.000-08:002006-11-11T07:47:00.000-08:00Anonymous commenter, I see your point, as well, an...Anonymous commenter, I see your point, as well, and it's a trenchant one. What IS there to do about this Trans umbrella that keeps getting broader? Do we all fit under it? What sounds respectful to me may be hurtful to someone else, and vice versa. <br /><br />I think my intent was to try to point out that, in fact, women's studies majors are NOT the only reasonable folks around...that everyone Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16435069005018966208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-26173209651985157672006-11-11T07:39:00.000-08:002006-11-11T07:39:00.000-08:00Andrea- thanks for your comments! You're right, I ...Andrea- thanks for your comments! You're right, I spoke in haste. What it's ACTUALLY about is enforcing the right of anyone, regardless of identity, presentation, or anatomy, to use whichever bathroom is most comfortable and safest for them at any given time. <br /><br />I think I used that phrase in reaction to the too-common trend of (sometimes willfully) misinformed folks to present transwomenElihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16435069005018966208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-83802162510268280132006-11-10T17:13:00.000-08:002006-11-10T17:13:00.000-08:00towards the end of your comment, you assume that "...towards the end of your comment, you assume that "most reasonable people" will "understand" that referring to a transperson as, for instance, a man who is living as a woman is "harmful and disrespectful".<br /><br />you're making a lot of assumptions there yourself, you know. I personally know of a few transsexual women who think of themselves in just that way, and readily use "living as" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-13919531030287931852006-11-10T15:12:00.000-08:002006-11-10T15:12:00.000-08:00i think today's article has gone a long way to rec...i think today's article has gone a long way to rectify this awful article. still, a letter to the editor is a cool idea.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087815748071685113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-18897426218672152132006-11-10T05:48:00.000-08:002006-11-10T05:48:00.000-08:00i also noticed how most of the examples of trans p...i also noticed how most of the examples of trans people used as examples in the article were poor (the transwoman addressed as "mister" by her welfare agent), criminal (the hearsay about a transperson attacking women in a bathroom), or homeless (the law about assigning beds in homeless shelters based on gender presentation). not that there's anything wrong with being poor, but it's certainly a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-52584951596361356222006-11-09T21:36:00.000-08:002006-11-09T21:36:00.000-08:00I agree with you in general: the NY Times should n...I agree with you in general: the NY Times should not reprint hearsay from "experts" like Paul McHugh, and it's disrespectful to refer to post-transition transgender people as their assigned gender, <br /><br />But I want to expand on the part about blanket pronouncements. Specifically, this <b>is</b> about allowing men to use women's restrooms (among other things). You ignore the fact that manyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21919276.post-9524633922768595082006-11-09T13:47:00.000-08:002006-11-09T13:47:00.000-08:00You should absolutely refine and edit this post an...You should absolutely refine and edit this post and send it to the NYT as a letter to the editor. I had similar reactions to everything you just exposed... especially when he writes she "asked to be identified as a woman for this article." It's easy to get caught up in the optimistic content of the article, but I was certainly less enthusiastic when I read it a second time through and noticed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com